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Long Rant on Physics, Free Energy, Steorn, etc

From: "andrew cooke" <andrew@...>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:53:26 -0400 (CLT)

In the shower this morning I was trying to think how I would answer if
someone asked for advice about investing in Steorn (the company
claiming to have invented a perpetual motion machine).

I think the first thing to do is be completely open and admit that
there are no certainties.  We do not - as many people have commented -
know everything.  There is always room for the unexpected.  But if I
am dealing with a businessman - someone with money to invest - that's
OK.  That's normal life.  What is important is the risk and likely
return.

Now the likely return on free energy has the possibility to be huge.
So if you have money to throw away, it might seem like a no-brainer:
the loss won't hurt, so there's nothing to lose.  And there's no real
answer to that, except that if you've got so much money that you
really can throw it away - that money is essentially meaningless -
then what do you need more for?

Leaving that more moral argument aside, the scenario where physics can
help is where the money isn't free; where you want to make an
intelligent call on the risks involved.

So we're reduced to a question something like: why do I, armed with an
understanding of human nature that is, I guess, average, and an
understanding of physics that is pretty damn good think the chances
that this is a scam much more likely than the chances this is a
scientific breakthrough?

I want to start with just the human nature side of things.  As a
baseline we can look at the relative number of scams and scientific
breathroughs.  If true, this would be a monumental, earth shattering,
mind blowing scientific breakthrough.  The kind of thing that happens
once a century, say.  That's pretty rare.

In contrast, people are always scamming.  I get spam email every day
from people that make money by lying.  And it doesn't even have to be
intentional.  People get things wrong by mistake even more often.
This weekend I will be working on my kitchen because the guy I paid to
check it against official standards gave me the wrong advice.  This is
normal life.

The baseline, before we get to any details of physics, is that there's
already a strong bias towards human falibility.  People screw up and
straight down lie all the time.  In contrast, scientific revolutions
come once or twice a century.  So if someone makes amazing claims
they're probably wrong.  It's a pity - we'd all like free energy - but
that's life.

But still, can we do better?  Can we say whether this particular
scientific claim is more or less likely than any other?  I think we
can, and I think the conclusion is that Steorn's claim is particularly
unlikely.

To justify that, at last, I need to talk about physics.  The argument
I will use is that physics is much more interconnected (holisitic)
than most people believe.  That means that there's a relatively well
defined body of "common sense physics" that is extremely stable.  This
explains not just why Steorn's claim is likely wrong, but also why
physicists end up having to do extremely complicated, expensive
experiments to make new discoveries.  And since that seems like I am a
physicist arguing that physicists should be given lots of money then
I'll finish with a pesonal comment arguing that, instead, it means
physics is largely no longer worth investing in.

It's a frustrating fact of modern life that "science" is criticised
for being too narrow minded.  "Science" is contrasted with more
"holistic" approaches which inter-connect many different aspects of
complex systems.  This is frustrating because, on a very basic level,
physics *is* holistic.  And for many physicists this is a beautiful,
"deep" result that says something amazing about nature, and which
makes the subject so interesting.

What do I mean about physics being holistic?  I mean that the
explanations physics gives for the way the world works tend to repeat
and inter-connect.  So phenomena that seem completely unconnected are,
in fact, closely related.

The reason why this is overlooked is easy to understand, but somewhat
paradoxical: the relationships become clearer and simpler as you use
more and more maths.  For some strange reason, mathematics seems to be
a natural language for describing the world.  This is unfortunate,
because it means that important ideas about our environment are best
expressed in a language that few people speak well.

Imagine you are walking around a mountain, following a narrow,
rambling goat's trail.  The trail goes up and down, switches back on
itself, winds around rocks, cuts through streams.  You doggedly keep
walking - eventually you get back to where you started.  So, after
folling this complex, difficult path, you come back to where you first
began.  What is more obvious than the following fact: where you
started, and where you finished, which are at the same place, have the
same height.

That is so obvious it sounds as though I am not saying anything.  Of
course you are at the same height - it's the same place.

And yet.  In words, that is a nice story.  In maths, in physics, it
can be made into a much more general rule.  The same maths that
"proves" something so obvious about walking round a mountain is the
same maths that says that Steorn cannot make energy by moving magnets.
You can perhaps see how the ideas carry across: instead of describing
the person, you describe the movement of the magnet; two magnets
pulling towards each other is described by the same maths as running
downhill.

This is the power of physics: that it connects something as
intuitively obvious as walking around a mountain with moving magnets
in Steorn's secret technology.

Please don't think that my argument against Steorn stops here.  My
case is more subtle.  Let's review what we are trying to do.

We're trying to get a handle on how likely it is that Steorn's claims
are a likely breakthrough.  Obviously, any breakthrough is going to
seem wild and crazy.  If it didn't it wouldn't be a breakthrough!

In other words, if there is a breakthrough, then something changes in
what I just said.  Somehow the maths has to change so that moving
magnets is not the same as walking round a mountain.

So what we need to ask ourselves is: how is the maths likely to
change?  Given that breakthroughs do occur, what do they look like?
If we are going to have a scientific revolution, can we predict where
it will happen?

One way to understand physics is to compare it to language.  If you're
reading this, you understand English.  But you understand some words
better than others.  Words like "shoe" or "run" are easy.  It would be
hard to imagine a world in which you had misunderstood the meaning of
"shoe".  Compare that with, say, the word "secular".  Yesterday I was
reading a paper on the "Secular Evolution of Galaxies".  The title
made no sense to me - I thought "secular" was something to do with
being independent of religion.  Turns out it can also mean "long term".

I'm just stating the obvious - some words are "plain" and some are
"fancy".  If someone told you that you had misunderstood a fancy word,
well, no surprise.  Why is this?  It's because the fancy words are
rare.  You use the plain workds every day.  Everyone uses them.
Everyone is clear on what they mean.  But the fancy words are used
less frequently and so are more uncertain.

The same thing works in the language of maths and physics.  There's
plain old physics and fancy new physics.  And just like in language
the fancy parts are where change is most likely.

So we need to find some way of separating "plain" and "fancy" physics.
If Steorn are claiming a breakthrough in fancy physics then we are
more likely to give them credence.  A change to plain, old,
well-understood physics, however, seems less likely.

Plain physics is everyday physics.  It's what I called, earlier,
"common sense physics".  This "basic" physics is pretty solid, boring
stuff, and it covers a lot of ground.  That's because we've been doing
physics for a long time.  The common phenomena are well understood.
New ideas are pushed towards the edges, to extreme conditions.

But, you might say, is this true of revolutions?  Aren't revolutions
important because they change plain old physics as well?  The answer,
surprisingly, is "no".  Plain old, common-sense physics has stayed
pretty much the same through the last three revolutions in physics
(special relativity, quantum mechanics, general relativity).  It turns
out that even when we get a major revolution, the central core of
"everyday physics" stays pretty much the same.

Sure, the fine details change slightly, but the changes are really,
really small.  Take special relativity for example.  It's amazingly
cool, but it only really changes anything when you're moving at near
the speed of light.  So, for example, special relativity predicts that
when I move my watch will get out of time.  But the change is tiny in
everyday life: if I get in my car and drive down the road my watch
"loses" around a millionth of a millionth of a second every hour.
That's nothing.  In practical terms that just doesn't matter.

So special relativity - which was a huge revolution in physics - had
very little impact on plain old common-sense physics.  And the same is
likely to be true for future revolutions, because we already
understand the boring stuff very well indeed.

That doesn't mean that special relativity is not important.  Through
devices like atomic bombs it can affect us all.  But the very nature
of atomic bombs is extreme - they are hot and noisy and generally
unpleasant to be near when they go bang.  They do not fit into a
plastic box in a museum for a nice demonstration.

And this is common knowledge amongst physicists.  This is why
researchers, who are all trying like crazy to find something new, are
so obsessed with extreme conditions.  Instead of doing experiments
with strings and rules, like I remember from school, they build huge
atom smashing devices.  It's not because they want to waste money -
it's because fancy physics is where the new stuff will be found.

Another extreme is the very small.  But, again, "extreme" is the
important factor - we're not talking "small as a button" (or, in the
case of Steorn, "jeweller's bearings", but so small that complex
machines are needed as an interface.  Machines requiring technology
and expertise that aren't common to web developers (Steorn's original
business).

So the case against Steorn is that it's just not crazy enough.  They
don't require thousands of cubic metres of some strange gas, or huge
energy sources, or strange particles - just a bunch of magnets.
That's the kind of revolution we had 150 years ago.  We've already
done that - the ground is bare, exhausted.

Finally, the corollary of all this is clear enough: it's unlikely that
revolutionary advances in physics will affect us much.  At least not
in an every-day kind of way.  Nothing like electric lighting did, for
example.  Instead, any "products" are likely to be extreme - a new way
of killing us all, perhaps.

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I wrote the above a while ago, but never posted it.  Today I was
reminded when I stumbled across this -
http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2007/07/first_glimpse_of_an_orbo.html
- which is kind-of pathetic in its ordinariness.

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Slowly making more sense; PPOE on OpenSuse; Quantum Bees; EmpireDB - SQLAlchemy for Java?; Bowery Electric; Zimbra (Messaging and Collaboration); Bolano + Sebald; Santander Security; BCI Customer Service (Chilean Bank); Good Intro to PyParsing; Two Essays on Bolano; Financial Regulation; Chilean Liquidity Crisis, November 2008; Batter Control via SMAPI; Not So Fast; Font Size; Extending Battery Life on X60 (OpenSuse, powertop); Dario Urzua 1780, Providencia, Santiago; When Agile Projects go Bad; Practical Comments about DSLs; Books I Should Read; Monster Truck Video; MicroFinance in Chile; Chilean Companies to Avoid; On the Other Hand; Background on Hedge Funds; Paper in Compression; Quantitative Easing for Dummies; Balada del Elefante Azul; Mass and Renormalization; Why CitiGroup is About to Be Bailed Out and Not General Motors; Joost in Decline?; Excellent; Thinking About Databases, Efficiency and Technology; Decent Summary of Citibank; Looking Good, Chile; BNP Membership List; Etherpad; NOAO DPP Changes; Correlations; Fast Is Not Necesarily Bad; about the article; Triggerfish Cellphone Locating; Actually, no...; CDSs a Good Thing?; Chavez airs wiretaps of political rivals; iBATIS Caching; Are Chilean Bus Stations Safe?; Microsoft OSLO (DSL Framework); Decline + Fall of Agile; Plop / MOSES; Food; Declarative Validation of XMLRPC Responses in Python; More on Moodys etc; Social Terrorists; Declarative Mini-Languages in Python; Learn Prolog Now; How Palin was Picked; Newer Bus Info; More Bus Notes; Bus Travel from Santiago, Chile; Some decent Chilean (and Mexican) Music; More Info on IBatis-Based Project; Nice Plot from FT showing Spreads; SAX XMLFilter Example; Hitchens on McCain + Palin; Short Position on BBVA and Santander; Relatively Positive Article from Economist; It Works!; Not Even with Latest Version; Nope; Fixing Java Profiling in Eclipse (TPTP) on Linux (opensuse); Perhaps Not; New, Good Book by Le Carre?; Possible Future Financial Scenario; No Idea!; Session Limitation with Acegi blog post; Patriotic Taxes; Using Packrat Parsing for Ruby; Still Not Simple; Article on Robert Preston; China Intercepts and Stores Skype Messages; World of Goo - Interesting Looking Puzzle Game; Another Article on Models and Finance; Simplified Caching; Problem with iBatis, Spring and OSCache; Totally Worth It; More iBatis Comments; iBatis ORM and Caching Strategy - a Use Case; Liberal Intellectuals, Foreigners and Fascism; Good Article on (Current) Economics; Update; Same Results; Perfect Hash; Core Routine; Matching DNA Update - Faster Java Code; Carpark North (Videos); Medeski, Martin and Wood - LIve in Santiago; The Revolution Will Not Be Televised; Good Clear Analysis of AIG, HBOS; Band of Heathens (Blues); Choco (Constraint Programming in Java); Choco?; GecodeJ Not for "Real Use"; Not to be popular...; Commented GecodeJ Example; Programming Constraint Services; Installing Gecode/J (Opensuse); Trentemoller - Electronica; Spelling Errors; Mesed Up KDE4.1 Libraries w OpenSuse 11; Panasonic's Page; First Micro 4/3 Camera; And Sun Too; New Info on Nixon, Kissinger, Chile etc; Confirmation - Type Erasure, not Recursion; SequenceL (Auto-Parallelisation); Scrubbing RAID; Using a New Scope to Avoid Type Capture with Java Generics; Probably due to Erasure; Bombed; Fast Updatable Median; MySQL and Graphs; More Efficient Search Parameters: 30min; Updated Timing; Identifying Related DNA Sequences; Re: Tom Cruise, Holoprosencephaly; Relatively,,,; Loma Largo Quinteto - Fruity, Light and Chilean!; Try VirtualBox; Trivially Easy!; Sun's VirtualBox v2; Good Summary of Recent Spring Config Options; Launchpad - Open Source Projects Support/Hosting; Secure Remote Password Protocol (+ Python TLS); Good Analysis of Georgia Issues; iBatis Error with Recursive Generics; Google's Web Browser - Chrome; With Separator; Plotting Data from Postgres; Emotionally Vague; YouTube - rannndom improv jams - some hip hop & some funk/techno; Amazing Toy; Lua on LLVM; Mujava / Township Funk; Overclocking Again; Concha y Toro; Stream to Tree; Latest BIOS - No Memroy Remap for P5LD2 SE; New Version (+ Book) of Qi; Updated Photography Gallery; Good Walkthrough on WEP Cracking; Free Science, Computing, Maths books; Open JDK Works; Interesting Review of Maths; Spring's Command Controller; Java Annotations to Construct POJOs from HTTP Requests; REST Summary; JavaScript / ActionScript Politics; Olympus Interview Translation; Related Discussion; Themable (Tileable) Tk; Good Post on Micro 4/3 (Four Thirds); I Have to Agree; BulliEpu has Moved; Recursive Generators and Backtracking Search (Python); Not the Best Solution in General; Another, Simpler Python Meta-Programming Example; Breaking News - God Continues to Not Exist; Evidence of God?; Image Processing with CUDA / Python (Dynamic Pipelines); Cookies; Listening to BBC Radio over Internet with Linux; Re: How about post-install; How about post-install; Cookies; Better Code + Numbers; Some Initial Results for Overlapping Tiles with CUDA; Python Closures with Lambda; Java plugin for Firefox 3 on OpenSuse 11 (64 bit); Large Systems Need to Detect and Correct Internal Corruption of Data; Wine Labels; Headphone Socket Failed; Wine Prices and Quality; List of Good Recent Books; Details of the DNS Attack; Panasonic LX3; Re-using CUDA's Makefile; Resume/CV Designs; Newspapers Quoting Internet - How?; Good Paper Against Heuristics; Hueristics and Ethics; Non-CPU Cooling Helps; Diff and Patched CUDA SDK for OpenSuse 11, 64 bit; Have You Nothing Better To Do?; More Evidence; Traffic Shaping by VTR; Maybe too Negative?; Using gcc-4.3; GPGPU / NVidia Cuda / OpenSuse 11; Semantic Version Control; Xen and Solaris on OpenSuse 11; Assorted Links Now Free...; Updating Wikipedia (Mediawiki) to use Postgres 8.3; And a Test Reply; C[omp]ute is back!; Python CGI to Display Flickr Images; Good Papers for Dyanmic Interpreter Implementation; Python ABCs; Handling Version Changes that Break APIs; Sweet Security Hack; New Music - TheSixtyOne; It's Parabolic; Interesting (Science-ish) Mailing Lists / Blogs; Bug in Moody's Credit Rating Models; Numerical Computation w Python - Sage; Conclusion; Correction; Clarification; Yet More (Entropy?!); Extra Thoughts; Undo, Redo, Transactions, ORM, Monads, Python; Undo Example; Monads in Python; Algebrization: A New Barrier in Complexity Theory; Details of (Iranian) Enrichment Tech; Cool Physics Blog; Cool Result on Birds; Python Context Management; DataFlow in Python; Internationalization for Python; Logging in Python; Useful Responses to Python Metaprogramming; Python Metaprogramming; Robot Weapons Withdrawn; Synergy - Cross Platform Software KVM; Google App Engine; Easier Online Procedure; Python Parsing Framework; Wittgenstein - On Certainty; Ernst Haas - Photographer; Physics, Computing, Maths; Scientific libs etc for Python; Replacement Battery APC Smart-UPS 420; Tamaya Merlot 2005 (Reserve); New Photography Site; Rubik's Cube solved by Lego; Pedro de Valdivia 2257, Providencia, Santiago; Argh. XSLT not XPath; Comparison of XPath and XQuery; More on Gravity Anomaly; Algorithms for programmers; New Job; New ISP Location; Wiki; Shove Module (Python); Bolano Stories; Do Use Raw; Critica.cl, Bolano, Arriaga, Animita Cartonera; Ernst Bettler, Disruptive Design (or not); Late Victorian Holocausts; Book of Memorials, Photos, Chile; Sweet Fucking Christ; Depth of Field; QM is Statistics with a 2 Norm; Panasonic LX2; Expert Data Reduction; Font Rendering; Encrypted Email Not So Safe; Test - New Server; Excellent Review of the Current State of High Energy Physics; Fascinating Background on Pakistan, Atomic Weapons, etc; In Retrospect; Good Food in Valparaiso, but Social Art Crisis; Licence Plate Recognition; Interesting Work on Data Provenance; More on French War; Roberto =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bola=F1o_-_At_Last=2C_a_Great_Chilean_Writer?=; OLPC (XO) in the Developing World; Termite v Erlang; Little Steven's Underground Garage; Chilean Food (Pebre); Amazon Improved Reccomendations?; Explanation of Picture; Rigid Rod Dynamics in 2D; Subtle, but Correct (I Hope); Axiom of Choice; Efficient Collision Detection with Pessimistic Measures; Beautiful Description of Forth Implementation; Interesting Poll - Worldwide Muslim Attitudes; American Schools Banned From Calling 911; OCaml on the JVM; Computing in (Haskell) Types; And Another on the NSA; Article on Bolano (Chilean Writer) in LRB; Collision Detection Working; First napito Results; Within 10min 2 People Had Marked As Favourite; Safe, IDE-Friendly, Extensible, XML Schema; Funny Foreigners; Credit Card Security; ...history, and laughing; No Officers Guilty - Abu Ghraib; Yellow; Cheap....; Significantly Faster; Not Efficient!; Hygienic Macros Failing in Gambit?; More Specific Operations; Basic 2D Geometry Routines; [Fwd: Andrew On Libertarianism]; In Defense of Purple Prose; Libertarianism; National Identity; Improved Permutation Function (Start of List Library); Good Article on SQL, Graphs, Trees; Permute Fucntion (Scheme); Initial Scheme code for Napito; 1 in a Million; Getting Started with Gambit and Snow (or any other Scheme); Running Gambit (Scheme) From Emacs; Space Travel and Astronomy; Amazon Does On Demand; Neat Idea - Extra Steam Stroke; Error in Regex; Good Paper on Migration, Social Costs, etc; Makin' Money!; Dropping Less Spam at ISP; Brother HL-2070N on Linux; High Windows as Limerick; Power 101; Alas...; LEDs in GUIs; To Be Completely Clear - I Agree With Loquax; Compiling Suse 10.2 Kernel with Nvidia; Full review in IEEE Spectrum; Long Rant on Physics, Free Energy, Steorn, etc; Too Easy; It's all about the Me; jjjuste V 1.0 Released; jjjuste V 1.0 Released; Woot - Jack to Airport; More of a Wobble; I Am A Foooool..; On Aging; The Worst of Metafilter; Protecting Traditional Knowlegde; Chilean Frustrations; Sine!; Slower, but doing the distance; It's Official - I Rock; Post-Hoc Wine Tasting and General Good Day; Albert Schweitzer; Using IntelliJ Idea v 7 (Selena) with mvn idea Plugin; Awesome Article on Reiser; Review of Cockburn's "Agile Software Development"; Streaming Audio and Jack; How Many Spammers? A Statistical Approach; Jack to Airport; Alsa, but no Flash, Jack; Amarok with Jack; Getting Jack Working; AES Weak?; Related LRB Article; Backtracking; Lessons from Icon; Iteration 2; And Another; More Politics, I'm Afraid; Need for Immigrants; De Soto Report; Happy to be fined!; Update; Post on Reddit; Culture Jam; One More Step; I just bailed on Parrot; Parallel Sudoku solver in Stage; Lessons Learned with Erlang; Timing Data; More Jabberings on Syntax; More on OO/FP/Asynch; Unifying OO, FP, Asynch Messages; Neat Noise Based Crypto; Convergence with Greediness 0.95; Greediness 0.75; Core 2 Duo Never 100% Both Cores?; Aborted Output with Greediness=0.5; Taste Test: Coke Light (Diet) v Zero; Hot Damn Fuck Me Backwards Woot!; Typical Report; Reduced Range Sudoku Solver; Still doesn't work...; The Vietnam of Computer Science - ORM / RDMS / OO; Interesting intro to Coq w Haskell; More Thoughts on Chapter 1; Notes on Agile Software Development; Gravity Probe B; Not Even Wrong; The Fabric of the Cosmos - Brian Greene; Yet More Discussion; More Discussion; Computational Economics

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